Australian whitebox builders hurt by Intel?

By Lilia Guan on Sep 23, 2009 4:46 PM
Filed under Hardware

Smaller players claim chip maker uses unfair tactics.

An Australian whitebox builder and a distributor have backed the European Commission's allegations that Intel engaged in illegal competitive practices that harmed consumers.

Eric Kwon, owner of Newcastle systems builder Tri-Benedict, told CRN that Intel didn't play fair when it came to rebates it paid smaller whitebox makers.

Last Tuesday, the European Commission released documents it said showed computer makers avoided AMD processors under pressure or following incentives from Intel.

"Intel offers rebates on certain products, for example, when you buy a certain Intel product, you can get a discount when you buy an Intel motherboard," Kwon said. "Problem is, we don't buy motherboards."

Kwon said it was unfair for whitebox builders because big corporations such as Intel were making the "most margins" out of smaller businesses such as his.

"[Intel gives] companies like Dell special treatment and discounts," he said. "We're a small player and unless we merge with other smaller companies to create a voice than there's nothing we can do about it."

Kwon said small PC makers have no choice but to sell Intel products: "A couple of years ago, Intel came out with the Intel Inside campaign. Why would the vendor - who has large market share - need to do that?"

He said the campaign would allow whitebox builders to sell hardware without customers questioning the quality of the processor inside the machine.

"[Intel] created this perception with customers that it didn't matter which machine it bought as long as it had one of its processors inside," said Kwon. "It gives us no choice but to use Intel products because customers will ask us 'is it an Intel chip inside?' "

Antony Sheen, managing director at national distributor Altech said the Federal Government should intervene.

"I believe there's truth behind in what the European Commission is saying," he said. "If Intel is offering major vendors rebates it definitely hurts smaller, local builders."

Sheen said incentives gave big PC makers an unfair advantage over smaller competitors.

And if something wasn't done to redress the imbalance as he saw, he said Australia was "going to end up with no local channel".

"The Government needs to step in and support local IT businesses to improve the local market, which will then generate employment and income for local systems builders," Sheen said.

An Intel spokesman said the chip maker believed the European Commission's decision was wrong.

"[Intel] has appealed the decision to the Court of First Instance of the European Community," the spokesman said.

"The decision ignores the reality that the microprocessor market is highly competitive, resulting in lower prices and better products for system builders and consumers." 

Intel president Paul Otellini denied the commission's findings.

"No, that's not the case," he said. "We don't do exclusive deals and when our time comes we will show that. The EU can release evidence early, something we cannot do."

 
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Comments: 7
JB-Rob
Sep 23, 2009 5:10 PM
"Intel offers rebates on certain products, for example, when you buy a certain Intel product, you can get a discount when you buy an Intel motherboard," Kwon said. "Problem is, we don't buy motherboards."

So you don't get the rebates. I fail to see how that's confusing. Sure, we'd all love to buy things cheaper, make more money, etc... But why on earth would Intel not be allowed to give discounts when you purchase more of their product. Yes, bigger companies get better pricing. Yes, the more products of theirs you buy, the better the pricing. After all, I'm sure Tri-Benedict or Altech have never offered more competitive pricing to customers who purchase more of their products...
djnapkin
Sep 23, 2009 5:13 PM
"[Intel] created this perception with customers that it didn't matter which machine it bought as long as it had one of its processors inside," said Kwon. "It gives us no choice but to use Intel products because customers will ask us 'is it an Intel chip inside?' "

So because Intel successfully associated it's brand with quality that is somehow unfair? I think this article mixes up two seperate issues here.

"Intel offers rebates on certain products, for example, when you buy a certain Intel product, you can get a discount when you buy an Intel motherboard," Kwon said. "Problem is, we don't buy motherboards."

Of course Intel will offer you a rebate when you buy both a CPU and MB. If I went to 'Tri-Benedict' and bought a PC, I'm sure he would encourage me to buy a monitor with it at a discount to the normal monitor price. It's called bundling. It has NOTHING to do with the EU case.

On the point that small box-builders are disadvataged by the deals the big guys get, this is the case in every industry. It's economy of scale. If as a small box-builder all you can offer is the boxes yourself, you cannot be complaining. You should be selling the service you provide your clients that the big guys can't.

Intel essentially blackmailing vendors to block out other chip makers from their products, well that is a very legitamate issue to complain about, but I don't see anything new in this article regarding that.
Wise1
Sep 23, 2009 7:02 PM
Can I just say something here? Regardless of what your assumptions are and or your thoughts on this, the fact is exactly this.

I am a white box manufacturer and have been since 1990 and I have seen the changes that have occurred over time and I can say the ramifications of Intel's actions will be the demise of the white box channel

Intel back in the late 80s and early 90s didn't have Dell, HP, or IBM/Lenovo as its customer base. It had more or less the OEM white box channel so it gave precedence to our market. As time passed, it made sense for the likes of HP and others to join the back of Intel's technology and apply to their core products to its PCs etc and so they did with a vengeance. The delta difference between white box and tier 1 was relatively little in comparison to what it used to be. With Dell then on the scene, it put pressure on the HPs/ Lenovo etc to compete and again, putting extra pressure on the white box market.

Intel went into bed with the tier 1's knowing that it had to sacrifice the white box channel but it continued with its song and dance about how it was still supporting the white box market. Admittedly what I see is that the white box are able to go to market faster then the tier 1s, but big deal, there's our point of difference, though other then that, the rest is bullshit.

The Intel team that were instrumental in building the OEM market back in the days have all gone. They were the lads that new very well about our market space and were also passionate about the OEM market space. The new guys at Intel who are emerging have limited experience with the OEM white box channel. They come from a University degree and offer their text book expertise when they know jack shit about where we've come from. All they know is how to make the share holders happy and the rest.
sholtomacpherson
Sep 24, 2009 9:54 AM
Some excellent points, Wise1. The PC industry has changed and will change again - there's a lot of noise building up about virtual desktops now, and that's sure to reduce the demands on the local processor.
If we're moving back to terminals and mainframes, customers will want to spend as little as possible on the terminal.
djnapkin - you're right in that there are several issues at play, but the consequence is the same. If you try to compete head on with the big guys you're going to get steamrolled.
If you sell white boxes without selling services you are missing out on a great opportunity to give local businesses a reason to buy from you.
In the November issue we're running a profile on a Melbourne reseller who has moved from white box and retail to adding services for local businesses. More work, more repeat business, more profit.
It can be done and it is definitely worth looking at.
sholtomacpherson
Sep 24, 2009 11:36 AM
even the box builders are getting into services. See http://www.crn.com.au/News/156435,dell-to-buy-perot-systems-for-us39-billion.aspx
If Dell can't make enough money in hardware, the market's trying to tell you something.
lguan
Sep 24, 2009 11:50 AM
Just on another point, Tri-Benedict does combine hardware sales with services. Thanks for the comments guys, don't be shy and keep them coming.
Wise1
Sep 24, 2009 11:50 AM
sholtomacpherson - you're right in many respects, however, if I speak for the few and myself who are wholesalers/ distributors, its hard for us to go direct such as the average reseller so our disposition is a little more complex. Correct that virtualisation is an area of growth and we are certainly growing in that space. However what we have seen is a demand in more added -value services, such as MMS ( Mail Managed Services ) this is the space to look out for. We are to open an entirely new market segment for the whole VAR channel to start offering extended services by becoming their own ISP or "whole of services provider" with no cost to them and its all transparent/ white-labelled so they can brand the service their own.
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