Resellers in uproar over SaaS pricing

By Sholto Macpherson
Mar 4, 2010 1:23 PM
Tags: kaseya | ingram | micro | managed | services | remote | tool

Two more advanced SaaS products due next quarter.

Kaseya's launch of its software-as-a-service (SaaS) model, announced on Monday in partnership with Ingram Micro, has sparked anger among some of the vendor's resellers.

Kaseya has denied accusations from some Kaseya resellers that the low pricing of its SaaS service - $9.95 for an account and $1.50 per seat per month - has undercut the cost of bulk licences sold directly by the vendor.

At the heart of the debate is a difference over how Kaseya's licences are used. Kaseya intends for its licences to be sold in only one way - to provide a full managed service to an end customer.

However, largely as a consequence of the vendor's insistence on selling large blocks of licences for tens of thousands of dollars, Australian resellers have devised various methods - some unauthorised - to draw extra revenue from unused or underused licences.

These methods and the business models they supported were now threatened by the low-cost SaaS service.

Dan Shapero, Kaseya's senior vice president of business development and channel marketing, SaaS, said there was a "misunderstanding" by some partners who were comparing prices of two different products.

The SaaS service, sold as IT Toolkit, was limited to remote control and troubleshooting.

"There's no automation, there's no backup, there's no anti-virus. It's a fairly finite set of IT services," said Shapero.

By comparison the Master IT Service Edition (MITSE) licence gave resellers access to the entire Kaseya platform, said Shapero.

"That's everything from patch management and help desk, ticketing, full scripting engine with backup and endpoint security, monitoring - remote control is just one of the features," said Shapero.

He added that resellers who bought licences owned them outright, whereas resellers of the SaaS product would need to keep paying for the licences every month they used them.

Kaseya partners also pay an annual maintenance fee for MITSE licences equivalent to 20 percent of their purchased value.

However, some resellers who had been selling Kaseya as a tiered range of services, from basic remote control through to a full managed service, believed the vendor had "devalued" their licences.

"If you purchase a 500-seat licence it costs you $67,000, which means you have to resell at $14 per seat to make a profit," Darren Davis, director of the Consortium Group, told CRN. "But you can now go to Ingram and buy it per seat - something we're not allowed to do - for $1.50."

Davis said he had paid $12,000 for his first block of licences two and a half years ago, spent another $12,000 a year later on a second block and bought his third in August for $23,000.

"But to now say you can get the product for $1.50 is a welcome smack in the face," said Davis.

Paul MacNeill of Pro Integrations said he also offered the licence as a basic or premium service to his customers.

"If I deploy an endpoint from my (MITSE) licence pool to that person, there's no discretion to the type of licence that you deploy. I paid $130,000 for 1250 seats. If I sell them out at $1.50 immediately I'm using a very expensive licence in a low value way."

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NERDPWR
Mar 4, 2010 2:53 PM
If you are sitting on Big Ks side of the fence this makes perfect sense, well at least to them I'm sure.. To myself and other K users with tiered product strategies we are being right royally shafted !!..

What really disappoints is I am not really suprised with the behaviour and I imagine many of my associates are in the same boat.. Once again a total lack of consultation with the people that should matter to Ks business... You know ! the guys that pay the bills eh Dan ??

Now.. Would you like another 1000 with that... :-)
ddavis
Mar 4, 2010 3:38 PM
here, here! When originally sold the product, you are advised that you can "scale" the type of support and charge accordingly. So, when you see that K is now offering FREE 25 user remote assistance accounts on their website and Ingram can sell the same for $1.50 something is amiss.

" ... would you like a pit pony with your new under mining kit? ... "
brendan.cosgrove
Mar 5, 2010 7:56 AM
There is a SIGNIFICANT difference between IT Toolkit and the On-Premises products. The difference is like a jigsaw to a lumber factory with full milling.

FuzzyAUS
Mar 5, 2010 9:57 AM
If your using your Kaseya system for remote control only, then yeah i can see why you wouldnt be happy. but if your like us and using almost every part of the product i dont know how you can be worried with something that gives you some remote control functions.

Im sorry, but until it can do Auditing, Patching, backup, Antivirus, Scripting, Remediation and reporting (let alone the rest) i dont see what the problem is other than a beat up and people looking for press time
mgiles
Mar 5, 2010 10:25 AM
Our company has invested over $80K in the Kaseya Managed Services edition over the past 3 years and I am not at all worried about Kaseya selling the IT Toolkit through Ingram. The Managed Services Edition and the IT Toolkit are TOTALLY different products. If you have purchased the Managed Services edition and all you use it for are the remote control functions then clearly you bought the wrong product and did not do adequate research in making the purchasing decision and also not followed up in getting trained up on using this fantastic tool!
banjo76
Mar 5, 2010 11:16 AM
Our company has also invested significantly in the Kaseya Managed Services edition probably in excess of $100k over the past 3 years, all of our staff have been fully trained in the product and use all of the features extensively. I can see your argument that if you had paid upfront for your licenses instead of taking advantage of the payment terms offered by Kaseya and if you only utilise your $67000 product for remote control then you would be a bit angry. Unless you are fully utilising the product you will not see the true value in all of the tools that it offers.

From what I have read there is a massive difference between the IT Toolkit product and the Managed Services edition.
ddavis
Mar 5, 2010 5:12 PM
I am glad everyone read the words "ability to scale and sell" - we scaled accordingly. Just as we were shown at the Sales Conference. Some clients purchase the full suite, some pay for what they require. Some use scripting, some don't. Hence the word "scale" - you can use Kaseya to scale your services and pricing. If you spend over $100k on Kaseya licencing, you are in a different league to smaller IT Managed Service Providers. Make sense now? Or am I the only one representing Small Business here?
vlizzi
Mar 8, 2010 2:09 PM
I can see that there is a differnece in the two products described, but none the less, if I was a Kaseya subsciber who would have committed significant resources to the product, I would still be concerned about the fact they have gone direct.

I personaly use Labtech, and have done so for some time now. This is a powerful RMM tool with a similar feature set to Kaseya, I have been very happy with the product and the company's professionalism. LabTech sells exclusively through the channel because the CEO strongly believes that his business should not compete with its clients. Some of his comments can be found here:

comment number 13.

http://www.mspmentor.net/2010/02/18/connectwise-capital-invests-in-labtech/

Hopefully this will not change.
ianvanreenen
Mar 9, 2010 4:14 AM
It seems to me that Kaseya is trying to cover two many bases here. You can't build a product for one end of the market and then cripple it to try and encourage the others end to use. As a customer you are either the guy paying for functionality you don't use or the guy facing the frustration of using an intentionally crippled product. I personally feel that there are SaaS solutions out there designed and priced to fit the SaaS model - something Kaseya never set out to do. Take a look at this as an example.
http://www.education-today.co.uk/news/fullstory.php/aid/2114/Buckinghamshire_ICT_support_team_automates_its_support_services_with_CentraStage.html
Checka
Mar 15, 2010 2:34 PM
Maybe you might like to take a look at Naverisk RMM platfrom which was launched from the outset as a SaaS model for MSP market and with a reseller model in mind. The idea is to provide an affordable alternative to the big brand name providers which MSPs can use to perform all the day to day functions they need at a friendly price. Have a look at www.naverisk.com/features and order a free demo or trial and convince yourself of the value for money.
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