Woolworths dumps Visa, MasterCard debit

By Liz Tay on Apr 1, 2010 11:30 AM
Filed under Finance

Move to EFTPOS to save “millions”.

Woolworths has announced that it would no longer accept payments through the Visa Debit and Debit MasterCard networks.

From 15 April, the change would be introduced progressively across Woolworths Group stores, including Big W, BWS, Dan Murphy's, Dick Smith, Tandy, Thomas Dux and ALH, as well as Woolworths and Safeway supermarkets, liquor stores and petrol outlets.

The move would require customers with the so-called 'scheme debit' cards to use the card's cheque or savings option, instead of credit, to access their funds at check-out counters.

By routing debit transactions through EFTPOS rather than Visa and MasterCard, Woolworths hoped to lower its fees and cost pressures from banks.

A Woolworths spokesperson told CRN that savings would be "in the millions".

"The bank fees from processing debit transactions via MasterCard and Visa adds significant costs to the Woolworths business," the company's finance director Tom Pockett said.

"By processing transactions through the Australian EFTPOS network, we can keep our costs low enabling us to deliver increased value to our customers."

Visa's ANZ general manager Chris Clark argued that the interchange rates for Visa Debit had "reduced dramatically in recent years".

According to Visa Australia's online fact sheet, each domestic Visa Debit transaction incurred a flat fee of 6.6 cents for supermarkets.

'Strategic merchants' that processed a high volume of transactions were charged fees between 4.4 and 6.6 cents.

"We don't believe that cost is an issue," Clark said. "To be frank, there's very little cost differential [between Visa debit and EFTPOS]."

Noting that EFTPOS had a 75 percent market share of debit card transactions, Clark said the move was "anti-consumer choice".

"It puts into question the competitive landscape for the entire payments industry when a major dominant retailer can decide not to accept a payment solution that is strongly supported by the public," he said.

There were an estimated five million Visa Debit cardholders in Australia, with scheme debit cards becoming increasingly popular since ANZ's introduction of its 'Everyday Visa Debit' in March 2006.

Banks including St.George and NAB offered Visa Debit cards, while the Commonwealth Bank and Westpac offered Debit MasterCards.

But Woolworths expected the change to affect only one percent of its customers, as most of its scheme debit users already chose to access their funds via the EFTPOS network.

Customers would be required to know their PIN to access their funds via EFTPOS.

 
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Comments: 42
Argus.Tuft
Apr 1, 2010 7:44 PM
If poor Mikie Mouse, Number One Trump at Woollies is so stretched that he can't handle 6.6c a transaction for my debit card then so be it. He obviously doesn't need my $120+ / week spend at his supermarkets, or the $100+ / week at his manipulated price petrol stations, or my occasional splurg at Murphys or the quite regular purchases at his Trickie Dickie Toyshops. Nor will he see any of my $10K+ annual spend at Bunnings if he ever gets his hardware palaces are up and running.

I'm one of those silly loyal customers who switched to Safeway when they were the underdogs and Coles were the Sultans of Arrogance. How times change. And if the good folk at Bunnings/Coles get any smart ideas they should rethink also.

Cheers

Argus
mckoy
Apr 5, 2010 12:01 AM
We spend only $200 per week in these stores and we are only allowed 8 fee free transactions per month on our debit card when used as an EFTPOS card. Now we will no longer do our shopping in woolworths stores....for the savings of 12.2 cents (2 transactions) woolies has now lost our $200 per week.
Francis
Apr 5, 2010 12:05 PM
Woolworths have just lost me as a customer. Once upon a time $50 dollars in my wallet would cover all my spending for the week and it was not inconvenient to carry. Today if it was not for credit cards I would need to carry several hundred dollars making me a target for any other Mugger. And to think that I was going to cash in my Coles Shares (Bunnings) for Woolworths.
All I can say now is By By Woolworths.
zzzoom3
Apr 6, 2010 4:39 PM
Bloody typical! I's hard enough to try and educate your kids to spend there own money instead of huge chunks of life strangling bank credit, and what do you get?

Woolworths should be ashamed of themselves for this move to scam a few cents per debit master/visa transaction.

Sounds like they are simply in the banks pockets to push either their credit cards or the banks.

I live less than 200 meters from a Wollworths and will now be taking my $300+ per week for a drive down the road to Coles.

Corporate greed at its best!
workingmum
Apr 6, 2010 4:50 PM
I spend 300 bucks a week on groceries. After watching Coles kill off my favourite brands I switched to Woolworths who were marginally better and seemed to stock some local brands. Now I find they are not going to accept my card I will have to carry cash or shop at Foodland. Guess which one is more likely. The only voice consumers have is to vote with their dollar, and I will not be giving my dollars to woolworths any more. They can join Coles, cadbury, kraft, and a whole heap of other companies who don't get my dollar any more.
Pants
Apr 6, 2010 5:57 PM
April fools jokes are funny, but CRN is the fool when they don't update an article DAYS after.
Liz Tay
Apr 7, 2010 9:16 AM
@Pants This isn't an April Fools' joke. I've spoken to both Visa and Woolworths to confirm the move.
tammy
Apr 21, 2010 9:02 PM
I shop at Woolies most days. I only have 6 free transactions from Eftpos per month. I certainly will be going somewhere else to do my shopping. Like most people I am sick of big business greed. When I queried it at my local I was told it was government changes which is not true. Shame, Shame, Shame Woolies, you've lost my business and many others.
luvo
Apr 23, 2010 8:38 AM
Stuff 'em. This was the last straw for me and my family. We'll take the convenience hit, and take our family of 7's business elsewhere.
I almost did my nah-nah when I found out Kangaroo MINCE was over $14/kg. Mongrels can rot in hell with their mince and card policies.
Berny
Apr 23, 2010 9:40 AM
They've lost our business from all their enterprises. Greedy B'ds. They have always been a ruthless and heartless mob and I really just needed this to push me on to IGA. They won't go broke but they will loose more in turnover than they gain from penny pinching over transaction fees.

We've seen quite recently what massive monopolies can do to the world financial systems. The recent banks fiasco almost brought the biggest world economies to their knees. It certainly cost us here Billions to offset the effects of unscrupulous monopolies. It should never be allowed to happen.
No more Woollies for us including all their affiliates. And Caltex can stick their fuel also.
andym
Apr 24, 2010 2:53 AM
Stuff you Woolies. This is simply taking advantage of people's lack of knowledge that it's cheaper for them to press credit. Woolworths figures they better patch that up before people start figuring out it works and won't count towards transaction number limits each month.

Join this Facebook group to oppose this crap!

http://www.facebook.com/#!/group.php?gid=113991578631652&ref=ts
Karl R
May 6, 2010 6:12 PM
Oh Dear How human nature forgets the world we live in. One simple maxim I learnt as a young man was"The Tail Can't Wag the dog" Wake up to yourselves Woolies I am selling my shares. Is the new way of dealing in world create a situation, get a reaction,find a solution! I think the public are waking up to this arrogance or are they? Stand up for decency in this world people make yourself heard and get activated.
BlastedUser
May 7, 2010 10:12 PM
Something's a little off here. Why are you with banks that have such few fee-free electronic transactions? As far as I'm concerned, electronic transactions should be free, and it is the bank that is greedy for charging you to access your own money.

And if you want to stick it to the man, use a credit card so Woolies will have to pay that 6.6 cents when you shop, just pay it off at the end of the month (which is the same as using a debit card).
bethmaree
May 8, 2010 11:34 AM
Well im not shopping there again, Coles here I come
Branais
May 11, 2010 9:47 PM
Woah. Tired as heck of this mob outsourcing their costs to their customers.

I was already fed up with their self-cashiering system, which slows every customer down and goes haywire far too often. And their petrol "savings" that really aren't. And their behind-the-shelves deals with food distributors that see significant brands left off their shelves. But now they want their customers to subsidise their account management fees?

Pigs to that. I'll be searching for my nearest IGA tomorrow.
Maria Mck
May 14, 2010 4:36 PM
Did my grocery shopping at Woolworrths - as usual.
Had a full trolly - as usual.
After putting the groceries through the checkout, I paid with my Debit Visa card - as usual.
It didn't work.
It seems Woolworths don't take payment with Debit Visa anymore.
I never use the other facilities so didn't remember the pin as I was under pressure. My fault.
I had to empty my groceries out of my bags and leave the shop.
I went to Coles and made enquires before I spent another 90 mionutes shopping.
Sadly, they seem to be in KaHoots with Woolworths and also don't take Debit Visa. Why were there no signs or warnings???
Sadly, they have lost my custom. I spoke to the bank manager. He said it was nothing to do with the banks.
It seems the small grocery shops are not affected as yet.

We have a Super IGA and it proved to be great and cheaper. Great selection of meat, too. Good on ya, IGA. I know where I will be going from now on. Maria
tomhad
May 17, 2010 2:55 PM
My wife found out at the checkout when the knocked back her transaction. The guy on the till said it "was nothing to do with Woolies, it was allthe banks Mate !"

my wife was emabarresed. After calling Woolies customer service they went into a long winded expanation and said that the customer could still sue the card but they would have to use the CHEQUE button . My wife is concerned that she will now be charged EFT fee each time she shops there ! WE ARE THE JOINING THE LONG LIST OF INCPONVENIENCED CUSTOMERS AND VOTING WITH OUR FEET !! I am no sure if any on is listening there. Your pages were the only place I've seen anything about this !!
absolutlyfedup
May 19, 2010 9:30 PM
Well how sneaky was this!
I was shopping in a scapbooking shop when someone said to the assistant that their debit card was not accepted at the Woolies supermarket she went to on the way home from work. Everyone stopped and listened to what she was saying. I was so angry I email my local Woolies and told them they had pretty much forced me to shop at another shopping centre just down the road. In fact I really like this centre and they are so great they will actually on a rainy day help people to their cars with an umberella.
You never have to wait they will call for an assistant as soon as there are more than 2 people in a queue.
So Foodland Happy Valley South Australia here I come for ever and please honour your commitment to never do what Woolies and possibly Coles are thinking about or are they doing it? because if they are bugger them too!
I just wonder what it will do to their petrol stations? They own just about everything. Oh well I will have to do some research and find and independent and support them as my children don't have an actual credit card neither do I so they will not benifit from the fuel vouchers any more so another reason to NOT SHOP AT WOOLWORTHS
t910f
May 21, 2010 10:51 PM
saw this today at the local dan murphy's.

they won't take my visa debit card on the credit function. had to put it through cheque function.

So the transaction cost me an extra 85 cents. Big whoop.
I'd rather the fee than pay an extra $10 like you do at liquor land around the corner. So i'm not too concerned about this at all, i'll just withdraw cash and pay in cash, much easier and way faster.
D3FCON
May 30, 2010 12:42 PM
Hmmm Coles is not much better being always so under staffed but still ill go there over wollies now hell yes.. But i got a great idea.... All if us with the debit visa's and debit matercards lets all bulk up a trollie or two each and get to the counter "ohh no I cant use my card here" "really" damn ! I guess you will have to use your staff to put it all back :D that cost more than 6.6c and not to mention lack of staff for the other card cutomers. I am going to do it this afternoon so excited now already had to put back my beer at BWS so im getting revenge.. Band with me lets rip em back
Danster8
Jun 2, 2010 10:03 AM
Here's an idea. Do a Google search & find a credit card with no fees. Open a credit card account just for groceries & pay it off in full each month.
HSBC have one. And BankWest.

Then Woolies, Coles et al will be stung for the merchant fee & we pay nothing!!
photohounds
Jun 2, 2010 10:20 PM
Hey I use ALDI - it PAYS for about 50 cents per litre on my weekly fuel spend. Sure you can't get it all there, but the savings mean I can buy more music and computer gear :)
sevquis
Jun 2, 2010 11:31 PM
I googled this to find out why I couldn't use Visa debit anymore. I'm surprised and skeptical about their motives behind this. I part own a small company and we negotiated a .84 of a percent for each credit card transaction from Visa or Mastercard, and it's exactly the same if it is a debit credit card or standard EFTPOS transaction. If we can wear the costs quite happily when every little but counts for us, why can't Woolies who are raking it in?

It all comes down to money in their pockets, it always is in bug business. If you can cut costs and make mega bucks then do it and screw what people think. Problem is people do think and they change their shopping habits, we now only use Woolies as a last resort for convenience so we don't get slugged by our bank for going over the 8 fee free EFTPOS transactions per month.
kenny79
Jun 4, 2010 12:30 AM
i am staff and even thru a woollies employess credit union debit card .buying my fresh food daily from the fresh food people my charges for may came to nearly 30 dollars ... just the motivation i needed to go to farmers markets and local artisan food producers ..bye bye to woolies the bullies .. ..forget it from me and all my contacts
habika
Jun 4, 2010 2:45 PM
I find they are not going to accept my card I will have to carry cash or shop at Foodland. Guess which one is more likely. The only voice consumers have is to vote with their dollar, and I will not be giving my dollars to woolworths any more. They can join Coles, cadbury, kraft, and a whole heap of other companies who don't get my dollar any more.
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habika
Jun 4, 2010 2:46 PM
I find they are not going to accept my card I will have to carry cash or shop at Foodland. Guess which one is more likely. The only voice consumers have is to vote with their dollar, and I will not be giving my dollars to woolworths any more. They can join Coles, cadbury, kraft, and a whole heap of other companies who don't get my dollar any more.
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habika
Jun 4, 2010 2:47 PM
I find they are not going to accept my card I will have to carry cash or shop at Foodland. Guess which one is more likely. The only voice consumers have is to vote with their dollar, and I will not be giving my dollars to woolworths any more. They can join Coles, cadbury, kraft, and a whole heap of other companies who don't get my dollar any more.
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jenifer.weaver
Jun 4, 2010 10:41 PM
Woolworths is not fair in no longer accepting payments through the Visa Debit and Debit MasterCard networks. Once i deposited many bucks into my account and it is convenient for me to go anywhere. But today, if it was not for credit cards I would need to carry several hundred dollars making me a target for any other Mugger.

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jenifer.weaver
Jun 4, 2010 10:43 PM
Woolworths is not fair in no longer accepting payments through the Visa Debit and Debit MasterCard networks. Once i deposited many bucks into my account and it is convenient for me to go anywhere. But today, if it was not for credit cards I would need to carry several hundred dollars making me a target for any other Mugger.

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jenifer.weaver
Jun 4, 2010 10:45 PM
Woolworths is not fair in no longer accepting payments through the Visa Debit and Debit MasterCard networks. Once i deposited many bucks into my account and it is convenient for me to go anywhere. But today, if it was not for credit cards I would need to carry several hundred dollars making me a target for any other Mugger.

The Finance Firm
motorsportqueen
Jun 6, 2010 10:37 AM
I wont be shopping at woolworths anymore I have always used my visa debit card to pay for things and rarely use cash I dont have pins on my cards because at the time I originally got them I didnt need a pin on the credit facility. I refuse to incur charges from my bank becasue a profit making company cant incur a minor fee for my loyalty
Francis
Jun 8, 2010 10:44 AM
I will no longer shop at woolworths, They can stick their holeyer than thou attitude and discount petrol. For what it saves me in petrol it is not worth it. I have switched to Milkman who home delivers and only supplies locally produced fresh food Not frozen or been in storage and if I want discount petrol I go to mobil and purchase a Loaf of Bread and a bottle of lemonade and get 5c per litre discount. Anything else I will get at Coles Franklins or Aldi.
Wollworths have become too big and bossy and I don't care for their petrol anyway. Perhaps the ACCC should run a looking glass over them. In any case the Petrol discount is ofset some where else. There is no such thing as a free lunch.

Just a thought why don't we all fill up our trolley's and when they wont accept credit cards leave the trolley at the cash register and walk away.
IR8
Jun 10, 2010 11:50 PM
Woolies, I am outraged that you are refusing to accept VISA Debit cards as a credit transaction. I am sick and tired of big companies raking in record profits whilst feeding off the public and sucking every cent out of them like parasites. I suppose the 6.6 cents you are saving is more important to you than the thousands of dollars a year I spend at your supermarkets and affiliates. Well, I'm happily taking my money and supporting my local IGA and other independents. I hope the backlash bites!
DavidR
Jun 11, 2010 9:18 AM
Since our EFTPOS details were skimmed at McDonald's in Paramatter (and loosing $750 to somewhere in India!) we have been careful not to put our pin into any EFTPOS machine.
I was very annoyed at Woolworth's when i could no longer sign.
1: because we have limited EFTPOS transactions.
2: because of above mentioned security issues.

I think Woolworth's should have polled its customers to see what reaction it would have.

To be honest im upset, but it wont stop me from shopping at Woolworths. If they can retain some profits from the banks then good on them. Its just a pitty that we have limited number of free EFTPOS transactions per month. After the free ones its now cheaper for me to buy milk from the local gas station rather than going to Woolworth's and paying the extra fee's just for the 1 item.

I think we are upset at not having the choice. Another option has been taken away by one of the big guys, pushing us to the little shops once again... then again is that such a bad thing ?

Argus.Tuft
Jun 11, 2010 10:27 AM
The really sad point coming out of this saga is that all the angst could have been avoided; were Woolworths even marginally less arrogant they could have turned it into a major positive rather than demonstrating their gross disregard for their customer’s situations. To further compound their disingenuous stupidity they appear to be willing to allow their staff to lie to customers; no folks, Woolworth’s refusal to accept these transactions are NOT being forced on them by the Government or even the wicked banks, it's entirely a Woolworths decision. The solution could have been simple, even for the moral midgets at Woolworths; given their massive bargaining power with financial institutions the 6.6 cents/transaction fee they cop is infinitesimal in comparison to that which is levied on individual customers by their banks. Consequently, had Woolworths simply given customers the option of paying them the 6.6 cents per transaction when they pressed "credit" along with a simple explanation (instead of the facile, Pavlovian “yer gotta reward card?” their till monkeys are currently programmed to spout) Woollies could have been heroes in the war against excessive bank fees instead as, as they are now perceived, to be siding with bankers as money grubbing low life. C'est la vie
krusty
Jun 11, 2010 8:34 PM
guess instead of paying fees have to go to coles,iga or whoever and pay $20 for my groceries....lol
if it only costs 6.6 cents howcome australian central chargeme $2.50 over my free 6 transactions
maybe the banks are the scabs, not woolies
Michael Harris
Jun 21, 2010 1:51 AM
If you want to properly voice your anger over this pathetic move, tell WW about it directly, and hijack their own communities and increase awareness of this stupidity:

Their own customer ideas forum has a item on this you should be voting up:
https://www.everydaymatters.com.au/content/revoke-upcoming-policy-block-debit-visamastercard-payments

And if you'd like to tell them directly, then you can email their Group Financial Services unit - who are the thugs responsible for the policy:
gfsoperations@woolworths.com.au, CC'ing the message to Belinda Santoro (company email format is FirstinitialSurname (at) woolworths (dot) com (dot) au).
mimi_c
Jun 21, 2010 7:29 PM
Another lost customer. I will avoid all the affiliates too. Bad move WW.
Francis
Jun 22, 2010 7:47 AM
I went in to Tricky Dickies the other day to buy a 3.5" floppy drive. The price was $45 and when I questioned it with the comment that the going rate for such a drive was around $15 the manager leaned across the counter and quietly said that that was the Woolworths price. So I walked out and around the corner to the local computer shop where I paid $16. They are just a greedy bunch of B....... So much for their advertising about giving value for money. By By Woolies.
hava.gander
Jun 23, 2010 12:18 PM
It's a game, play them with the same rules!

Danster8 is right what is a Visa/Master Debit card anyway? Get a no fee 45day interest free Visa/Master card with the lowest limit they will let you have, then transfer money from your savings that you are wanting to spend.
Set up a monthly payment to the card to pay it out and never pay interest again!

If customers leave the game, with their "new" rules, they will change the rules. Don't just talk the talk, walk the walk and help the small Australian owned business to prosper and you will get value and variety!
Jaz
Jul 14, 2010 12:16 PM
Yea that sounds smart Woolies! Save money by losing customers,brilliant business since. I hope your happy with that move. Your customer satisfaction skills are fantastic! You never passed on savings before Debit cards,you were are and always will be the most expensive outlet in the country. You have sub standard products ( mostly imported) and quite frankly you don't give a stuff about your customers. You have proved time and time again that customers are at the bottom of your care factor file.
You don't want to swallow the transaction fees caused by the banks?,well join the Que idiots. If you don't get the fees then your customers get it when they use eftpos! You say you will pass savings on to us? The only savings being reaped are your own.
From this point on I will just use a debit card at an outlet that appreciates the quality of customer satisfaction. Good Day, Jaz
bogun
Apr 8, 2011 6:14 PM
You idiots in head office did not do your homework. What about customers with debit cards like to salary packing or commsec etc. You can only make purchases by pressing CREDIT. Now your stinking stores make it so that you only have the CHQ or SAV option so the card does not work even with $1000's in the account. Why [removed] don't you want my money!!

So [removed] what if it costs you a few cents to make $100's....of all the myopic money hungry idiotic [removed] ideas. Whichever numbnuts came up with this one deserves to be SACKED.

You just cost the company MILLIONS of dollars in lost revenue. The dufus will probably get a bonus.

PATHETIC

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